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Monday Oct 11, 2021
Beyond Happiness with Jenn Lim
Monday Oct 11, 2021
Monday Oct 11, 2021
Jenn Lim is the CEO and Chief Happiness Officer (CHO) of Delivering Happiness (DH), a company she and Tony Hsieh co-founded to show how you can prioritize purpose, people, and profits to make an impact on the world. In 2010, Jenn led the launch and management of Tony’s first book, Delivering Happiness, which sold over 1 million copies, and hit #1 on The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. It was also voted one of the best business books by NPR, Amazon, and Inc. Magazine. With the book’s success, DH evolved into the world’s first coach|sulting® company to help businesses, governments, and health care systems actualize their own sustainable organizations with people and purpose for a positive ROI. Since then, DH has inspired and helped over 400 organizations around the world create systemic change to ready them for growth, adaptability, and resiliency. Over her 20+ years of experience with DH and Zappos, she’s developed scientific frameworks for workplace happiness and modern org design, showing how — no matter what title or role — we can live more meaningful lives through the work we do every day. Jenn also sits on the Global Happiness Council of Work and Wellbeing, loves spontaneous meditations and dance parties, and is working on the launch of another book in October 2021.
IN THIS EPISODE… Jenn and Joe unpack this last year. They go into the impact the pandemic has made from a work landscape perspective, but more importantly, they talked about Jenn’s experience of massive loss with the passing of Tony Hsieh this past November 2020. This caused an understandable set back completing her book, Jenn was authentic to what she advocates for and focused on her journey and completed her new book, “Beyond Happiness”, and even though this isn’t a part two to Delivering Happiness, this is equally as important for business owners, people leaders, and even within your own family dynamics. Jenn shares a few great exercises you can do today, which will be linked in the show notes along with her book
🔍 Breakdown with Jenn Lim:
Chapter 1 (0:00): Introduction
Joe introduces Jenn Lim, and sets up the episode.
Chapter 2 (2:00): Writing Delivering Happyness
Tony Sheih and Jenn Lim wrote 80% of Delivering Happiness in a cabin in Tahoe, and Jenn shares the magic of developing it.
Chapter 3 (6:30): Playbook for startup companies
The incredible following and impact the principles of scientific happiness has on employees is something that Jenn explains
Chapter 4 (15:28): Looking at the good and the bad within your organization
Unpacking what is going on within your company. Making sure purpose and value is the stronghold to ensure employee adaptability.
Chapter 5 (22:40): The great resignation
In the month of April alone there were 4 million people who left their jobs. We could look at this more like the great awakening and Jen explains why.
Chapter 6 (32:39): Work-life balance possibilities
An exercise Jenn had created, the wheel of wholeness, helps to focus on where they are in all areas of their lives. As a leader, you need to understand where people are in their lives.
Chapter 7 (40:47): Greenhouse exercise
This goes with the “me to we” concept. We want to make sure we are not only self-actualized but we help others find their purpose also. This greenhouse task helps accomplish this.
Chapter 8 (45:49): Work happy means the stock’s happy
It should be simple, but often companies forget that their team member’s happiness is not a frivolous focus, but actually helps the bottom line also.
Chapter 9 (53:50): Wrapping Up
Joe wraps up the episode with Jenn and encourages you to buy her book!
Material Referenced in this interview:
→https://www.deliveringhappiness.com/
→Delivering Happiness by Tony Hsieh
→Beyond Happiness by Jenn Lim
→https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
📞 Connect with Jenn
→https://www.instagram.com/byjennlim/
→https://www.facebook.com/byJennLim
→https://www.linkedin.com/in/byjennlim/
→https://twitter.com/byjennlim
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